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Troy McLachlan - The Saturn Death Cult: The Illuminated Ones
November 1, 2012
A British national brought up in New Zealand, Troy McLachlan earned a bachelor’s degree in Asian and American politics before embarking on an advertising and television/film industry career. Inspired by the cosmology of the Electric Universe hypotheses and its ability to provide rational and natural explanations for the mythological record, Troy recognized that the god Saturn plays an important role in some of the world’s more deviant esoteric traditions. He wrote the website and kindle-book "The Saturn Death Cult" as an attempt to forge a link between the implications of "Saturn Theory" and its detrimental effect on the beliefs of certain Saturnian-based occult groups and agendas. In the first hour, Troy summarizes his Saturn Death Cult theory and then discusses the "illuminated ones," including their use of symbolism and the alchemical motives behind it. We’ll discuss world government, wealth, collectivism and the rule of law. In hour two, Troy explains how the illuminated ones use archetypes to propagate their agenda. He’ll talk about the German composer Richard Wagner, who Nietzsche accused of being a change agent. He’ll also talk about Stanley Kubrick’s use of Saturn symbolism. Later, we cover UFOs, breakaway civilization, Nazis and the agenda of the Saturn Death Cult. At the end, we touch upon the problem with democracy, the EU, collectivism and law.


Relevant links
A Timeless Age in a Purple Haze
From Purple Haze to Golden Days
The Golden Age
The Silver Age and the Rise of the Bluebloods

Cube - Soundtrack - Main Theme

Books & DVDs
The Saturn Death Cult
God Star

Comments (15)

Infamous British MP Enoch Powell once said he doesn't listen to music because "It takes me to places emotionally that I don't want to go". a strange but honest statement I thought. A very powerful and enigmatic medium it is. The best internet talk radio I've come across to date, cheers!
#15 - stratcat - 03/12/2012 - 23:39
Thank you
Thank you - very generous and fruitful information and ideas from Troy McLachlan, much appreciated.

The linked interviews with David Talbott and Wallace Thornhill provide a beautiful background on the electric universe theory.

If I understand correctly, it seems that people fail to understand stories (myths) as metaphor and simile, resulting in crazy literal enactments of the metaphor (e.g. Saturn eating his children) and at the same time blocking research into the facts that may lie behind the myths.

The linked interview with Rens van der Sluijs (also from the thunderbolts group) was also informative.

Thanks again.
#14 - Sarah - 14/11/2012 - 19:10
Dec 21, 2012 false flag by CERN? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8y0MR8KiY8
#13 - Stuart J. Smith - 11/11/2012 - 14:33
Thanks for great follow-up interview!
I think that Troy McLaghlan s Saturn-death theory really is the best one out there explaining the history of humankind and why things are the way they are today.

Troy has a great website where one can get a great overview over the whole Saturn-concept which in itself of course are totally mindboggling; humankind growing up in a lush Garden of Eden-state with Saturn being our first "Black Sun", a perfect purple maze environment where humans where provided by everything needed by nature due to the perfect climate conditions existing at the time. And then, some of us surviving the extreme cataclysmic events that affected our whole solarsystem involving multiple planets including our own. And why this knowledge is passed on amongst the Elites (being the self proclaimed inheritors of the Black Sun Era) so that "the few can control the many".

I agree with # 9 Don Willy atk stating that Troy McLaghlan "is certainly one of few" who "have the depth of mind invested in both socio-political and cosmological understanding of the universe in which we live". True!

And Oh, by the way, being a Swede living in Sweden AND having my own company at the same time, I couldn t agree more with Henrik in his comment # 6!
Believe you me -The Nordic Model is truly a terrible thing that doesn t work and anybody who thinks collectivists socialism is a good thing for humanity should also experience it in real life before advocating it.

#12 - ingrid - 05/11/2012 - 13:55
just want to say--you are by far, the best interviewer out there, Henrick. Great Interview. I really appreciate the fact that we're able to get this level of discourse...
#11 - colleen - 04/11/2012 - 22:37
'morton_h', that analysis is amazing.
I'm sure it was obvious to some, but the point you make about London's connection with the EU is totally brilliant. I do like it, thank you.
Red Ice is easily my favorite website ever, beautiful web design, excellent hosts and researchers and the topics covered are so mind expanding. Super food for the mind body and soul, I have learned so much from hanging out here. Thanks to all involved.
I really enjoyed all of the 6 hour discussion about The Saturn Death Cult, great stuff Troy, and I just have to mention as well about how awesome it was to learn about Walter Russell. I had heard of him a few months ago via Jason Verbelli, it was brief and I had forgotten until I heard that great interview with Matt Presti. I immediately bought 'The Secret of Light' after listening.
I needed that one, excellent and thanks again.
#10 - aof - 04/11/2012 - 19:52
The electrical light of current life
Fascinating and much appreciated interview, as always. Seems few people have the depth of mind invested in both socio-political and cosmological understanding of the universe in which we live... Troy McLaghlan is certainly one of few. Others, I feel are deeply threatened by these theories, understandably. The Saturn Death Cult and 'purple dawn' theories certainly sheds an old light on the ancient past of our planet, one which has been (nearly) erased from our memories as a species. However, such as with 'catastrophobia' I feel we are linked to the knowledge, the latent memory of this time. The illuminated ones may not be consciously aware of why or how the symbology works, or where it came from (not fully convinced of this myself) but they have the knowledge and ability to wield its power through our subconscious imprinting and/or possibly 'akashic' connection to this knowledge. As Troy postulates, the alchemical use of these symbols seems to feed our society. People all over the world wear a chain and cross around their necks willingly with devotion, people whom have never even thought about the connection between the 'great alignment' or Saturn as our Sun in the past. People who seem not to understand that the Christ, personified as Jesus dying on the cross, to be resurrected three days later, as an alchemical understanding of the event. Christ as consciousness, Jesus as the 'Son' or Sun' the great cosmological mystery which is symbolized with a chain around our necks and cross at the end, containing our consciousness. Jesus is the light of life and the symbol is held close to our hearts. The new Sun which both ended the golden age of Saturn, trapping our consciousness and true potential, and was born anew: Helios. The Son of God the father who brings forth the Holy Spirit, who is the center of the galaxy.

Visit http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OH7lrjixaNA for a new depth in understanding of how this works in plasma physics and its cosmological connection. This seems to be our/the connection to universe we are looking to remember. On a grand scale, galaxy centers charge stars through alignments of electro-magnetic currents, and outwards connecting galaxies to each other, during vast cosmological alignments. Universe is wholly connected through movement and fluctuating alignments, down to the smallest of vibrating filaments of light.

Visit http://www.thunderbolts.info and buy or view the documentaries created by these brilliant people. Symbols of an Alien Sky may change your world.
#9 - Don Willy Atk - 04/11/2012 - 16:02
Logic before Grammar and smothered in Rhetoric
I recommend somebody listens to Jan Irvin "trivium education" , and take a visit to http://fallacyaday.com/

I live i Sussex in England and I have become aware since listening to your shows, how many people think "Oh the Swedes have got it right". Now of course, we haven't a clue whether the Swedes have got it right or not, for the most part our research has been passive.
My boss went to Sweden for a weekend and said it was "a delightful Utopia"
I know there has also been a few celebrity endorsements of Sweden in the press eluding to the same ideal.
So these are the general things the general passive researchers are picking up and its making us very comfortable with the idea of following suit.
Lots of us are very self assured that we know all about something because we read an article, or even a book, ignorant to the fact that there are a thousand articles or books with conflicting information.
Which is what brings me back to Trivium. And where did I hear about it? That's right RedIce radio baby! Trivium is a tool used to assess information in a structured order so as not to arrive at erroneous conclusions or allow your emotions to jade your judgement.
I personally am finding it invaluable and I feel it's mention applicable here.

Thanks all at RedIce for creating this platform.
#8 - fraser - 04/11/2012 - 13:07
I think at one time Saturn was near the earth and referred to as "The Yellow Emperor" which may have been during the golden age and where the eye in the pyramid or of hours comes from.

The whole idea from Star Trek from the Vulcans, was "the needs of the many outweighs the needs of the few" Which is a collectivist ideology. Really there is no reason to believe that. As a matter of fact any true good is experienced at only the individual level, because there is no "collective" human experience there is only a individual human experience, that is the atom of humanity, there is no reality outside of that. The collective can't write a book, the collective can't fall in love, or believe in god etc etc. Only a individual can. It's an illusion to see it otherwise. You'll never meet a collective, you'll only meet an individual. So any good of the many can only really be justified by the good of the individual. Thus individual rights are the fundamental measure of the good of the many, because the many are but a mass of individuals.

If a policy is mandated to benefit a collective mass to the loss of the individual it's benefit is actually to nobody. There is no collective, there are only individuals, individuated or not. That is a fact.

Thats why statistics and all the modern measurements of sociology are a bit false. They say ever 3 seconds X happens, really does it? Every 3 seconds on the dot?
"Well no" says the statician "it's an average". No it never happens like the staticians say, it's an abstraction, as is the idea of the collective itself. There really is no collective and statistics don't really reflect reality for anyone. However there is an individual, everyone is an individual and you can talk with them but nobody is a collective nor can you ever have a conversation with a collective, you can only piece together individuals and call them a collective because you have more than one, but that is just a mental projection.

A collective is therefore even more individuated than an individual. So perhaps this is why collective good is considered a standard? However, to say that, a collective good represents individual advantage is a misapprehension, because to call the group a collective you first removed the aspect of individuality from each and every person and make them into a group. Therefore if some policy is only advantageous to a group, it is not in fact advantageous to ANY of them, because to make them into a group you had to remove their individuality in the first place.

Thus it is a logical contradiction to say "the needs of the many outweighs the needs of the few". Not very vulcan, Roddenberry...

There is no such thing as collectives, there are only individuals, that is why collectivism doesn't work. It doesn't exist. To create something that doesn't exist is to simply destroy creativity.
#7 - pacman7331 - 04/11/2012 - 07:00
To the "critic"
Sage, I don't know what kind of issues you're dealing with but it's obvious from both your language and overall composure, that you don't understand the aspects that you're "trying" to criticize.

Never have I mentioned "academic inquiry" when it comes to the topics that I comment on in this program. What I'm talking about is something called "life experience". For my entire life, I've actually been living in the conditions that I'm criticizing. To clarify, I'm specifically talking about Sweden now but I have traveled quite a bit in my life and managed to compare different countries - and the more I do - the more I realize the monstrous issues with "the Nordic Model". Something that anybody with their eyes open can see. I don't have to read more about "how good" collectivist socialism is. Since I'm actually living in it, I can tell you from direct experience that it's a nightmare. It's funny how many of the intellectual Fabian socialists always manage to convince themselves and others about how "wonderful" their ideas are but then - with history as evidence - whatever country they enter into and slowly take over, they turn it into a theme park for themselves and to shit for everyone else.

You say: "Your program is part of the American RIGHT/ bizarre European view of the world" ... oh really? Is it now? Well thank you for the kind words, the insightful analysis and the broad scope of your analysis of the 6 + years of programs that we've provided for you in attempt to help educate you about the the deeper mysteries and conspiracies. Such an insightful insight "sage". I sincerely believe that you don't know what the hell yo're talking about.

You seem to think that just because we criticize "the left wing"....we must be "right wing?" Well, you're wrong about this and you do not understand the point of this radio program, at all! I suggest that you step out of the left-right prison paradigm that has force feed upon all schooled and educated slaves and enable yourself the opportunity to free yourself and for the first time listen with fresh ears. I doubt it's doable though.

I also find it interesting that despite the time we spend on the Hegel and the dialectic, you still seem to defend the basic construction of the model and cling on to one of the sides like it's a life line to your happiness. Well, good luck to ya!

Since you're in Canada "sage," I only have one thing to say to you: If you think that collectivism, conformity and corporate-socialism like we have in Sweden is so great, why don't you go and live there then?

Go there for yourself, live there for about 10 years, in one of the gulags outside Stockholm or Malmo and then we can talk. Oh, and you should also start a company, so that you can truly "feel" the full force of the protectiveness from the parental state. After you've done this, we can talk. We'll see what positive aspects you can mention about collectivism, socialism and crab mentality conformity.
If you end up liking it, well congratulations! Good for you, please stay and enjoy it, but don't try to tell me that it's something that I must enjoy and live in with all the other crabs. I don't like it, I never will. I enjoy no "version" of it and I want nothing to do with it. I've seen it destroy my country and after 80+ years of glacial change stemming from "folkhemmet" I see no return to a better state any time soon.

If you take one thing with you I hope it's this. Just because we criticize A doesn't not automatically mean that we "endorse" B - as you seem to think.

Please listen to our commentary on "The Nordic Model" read our articles that weave posted about what is happening in Sweden right now as you completely seem to lack the perspective that there is such a thing as a conspiracy and that conspiracy is to destroy the spirit and the creative aspects of mankind. And I've seen NO OTHER SYSTEM in the history of the world that does this, so well that socialism does it. From mass murder to soul crushing politics - the collectivists does it all. I suggest that you watch the film by a man who has analyzed this better then most: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIuW-vNQsQI

How you can go on and on, and on, as so many do, to defend Marx, Communism, Socialism, Collectivism and everything in between is appalling. Mass murder and dehumanization is what all versions of this political system has created. It's been tried. The evidence is the history of mankind. Open your eyes! For over 100 years now, it's been tried in different versions and adaptations and the fact is that it doesn't work! The implementation is about globalism and centralization. Furthermore, this is how it's been used by the conspirators to destroy nations and export wealth from countries. It's utterly amazing that you talk about "academic inquiry" but know nothing about history, despicable.
#6 - Henrik Palmgren - 04/11/2012 - 00:50
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